Are people aware that fifteen years ago the airport was considered too close to a town to be developed by the department of transport? Surely TDCs push to develop it is illegal.
20 years a go Kent International Airport had just finished building the current terminal building so whoever here is saying that 15 years a go the DOT considered it too close to a town to be developed is incorrect.
No - there was definitely a government inspector's report which found that Manston was unsuitable for development because of the proximity of Ramsgate.
Also see this from Hansard Feb 1999:
At Manston in Kent, where the RAF has allowed civilian flights for over 10 years, the MoD is about to conclude a sale of the site to Wiggins plc. Wiggins intends to set up an airport with the most advanced systems, and is in negotiation with the CAA for a licence. But there is to be no planning application for this new airport, which will involve 24-hour operations, because the MoD has persuaded the Thanet District Council that none is needed, on the grounds that there has been no material change of use.
So thanks to TDC there has never even been planing permission for the airport.
I think is is disgraceful that Eastcliff Richard's poll is being subverted by the moron who wants more night flights. This raving idiot is voting multiple times to give the impression that a significant number of people are in favour of these flights. I can't find anyone in the town who thinks that night-flights are a good idea. This moron must live elsewhere; possibly the other side of the world. Come on Eastcliff. Ban the moron and gove us the real picture. My surveys suggest it's greater than 90% against.
Unfortunately there's no way of banning anyone from voting in the poll. Nor do I get any technical stats relating to it, so I wouldn't know who to ban even if I wanted to. And there's no easy way of banning people on Blogger either.
It's only meant to be indicative (as they say on the BBC). If there is any multiple voting going on, it's probably happening on both sides, so they're probably cancelling each other out.
But the Want-Nots are ahead at the moment, so what are you complaining about 5:15?!
It's refreshing to see that the poll is about evens given that a majority of readers are not on the flightpath. Who said this was a cynical, uncaring and selfish world!
ECR, yesterday I am sure you said one could not make multiple votes from one computer inferring one would have to go to a web cafe and vote from several different ones. Can you? Can't you? Let the truth be revealed!!
Yes you can vote multiple times from one computer/device but you need to change your IP address. If you have 'always on' broadband then the easy option is to turn it off for say ten minutes then back on again. There is of course a VERY remote chance that the new IP address was used previously to vote :s
There are other ways like bouncing off proxy servers, but as I said, the easiest is just to renew your home IP.
ooooh.... how conspiritorial, as the amount of No votes is larger than those for Yes it loks like the anti-KIA mob are far more tech savvy than us knuckle dragging luddites who want to go to Palma for a quid!
Anyone who'd wish to reboot their router/modem just so they can have another vote needs to get out more... I suggest a nice little holiday somewhere warm.
KIACC may be in favour in principal but they've done all of us, 'pro and anti', a big favour reminding those tired old duffers that they risk one or two legal challenges should they try and force a decision tonight.
And just for balance (Tony), here's another picture of a plane. The Wantsum Want-nots are currently ahead, I see!
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I'm sick of planes, can't we have some nudity instead (as long as it's not Tony!).
Are people aware that fifteen years ago the airport was considered too close to a town to be developed by the department of transport? Surely TDCs push to develop it is illegal.
Are people aware that fifteen years ago the airport was considered too close to a town to be developed by the department of transport?
Please find a source for this information.
your pole seems to have made a miraculous recovery as far as the plane stubborn movement concerned.
20 years a go Kent International Airport had just finished building the current terminal building so whoever here is saying that 15 years a go the DOT considered it too close to a town to be developed is incorrect.
No - there was definitely a government inspector's report which found that Manston was unsuitable for development because of the proximity of Ramsgate.
Also see this from Hansard Feb 1999:
At Manston in Kent, where the RAF has allowed civilian flights for over 10 years, the MoD is about to conclude a sale of the site to Wiggins plc. Wiggins intends to set up an airport with the most advanced systems, and is in negotiation with the CAA for a licence. But there is to be no planning application for this new airport, which will involve 24-hour operations, because the MoD has persuaded the Thanet District Council that none is needed, on the grounds that there has been no material change of use.
So thanks to TDC there has never even been planing permission for the airport.
The airport was here long before TDC.
It was the department of trade and industry 1993. It was deemed to be too close to the town
And Ramsgate was here long before the airport 11:47.
We could play that silly game forever.
So no EIA then...small wonder we now have problems. Tony over to you for debate on this?
Kill two birds with one stone and increase Margate's revenue by demolishing Ramsgate, problem solved.
Eastcliff was here before ramsgate,
so what.
My point entirely Tony. Just because something was somewhere before something else is in no sense any kind of argument for it to remain.
If that were the case we would still be serfs toiling away in fields, living under a feudal system because it was there before democracy.
The truly progressive view would be to embrace change and start imagining what we can have in place of the airport.
Hear hear.
I think is is disgraceful that Eastcliff Richard's poll is being subverted by the moron who wants more night flights. This raving idiot is voting multiple times to give the impression that a significant number of people are in favour of these flights. I can't find anyone in the town who thinks that night-flights are a good idea. This moron must live elsewhere; possibly the other side of the world. Come on Eastcliff. Ban the moron and gove us the real picture. My surveys suggest it's greater than 90% against.
Anon 5:15, can you link us to your "90% against" survey? Thanks.
Unfortunately there's no way of banning anyone from voting in the poll. Nor do I get any technical stats relating to it, so I wouldn't know who to ban even if I wanted to. And there's no easy way of banning people on Blogger either.
It's only meant to be indicative (as they say on the BBC). If there is any multiple voting going on, it's probably happening on both sides, so they're probably cancelling each other out.
But the Want-Nots are ahead at the moment, so what are you complaining about 5:15?!
If you want a banner, try Dr Moores!
It's refreshing to see that the poll is about evens given that a majority of readers are not on the flightpath. Who said this was a cynical, uncaring and selfish world!
One sure thing about all the Manston talk on ECRs blog, it keeps his web traffic profile healthy :D
ECR, yesterday I am sure you said one could not make multiple votes from one computer inferring one would have to go to a web cafe and vote from several different ones. Can you? Can't you? Let the truth be revealed!!
Dear Bishop
Yes you can vote multiple times from one computer/device but you need to change your IP address. If you have 'always on' broadband then the easy option is to turn it off for say ten minutes then back on again. There is of course a VERY remote chance that the new IP address was used previously to vote :s
There are other ways like bouncing off proxy servers, but as I said, the easiest is just to renew your home IP.
Hope that helps
Nige
ooooh.... how conspiritorial, as the amount of No votes is larger than those for Yes it loks like the anti-KIA mob are far more tech savvy than us knuckle dragging luddites who want to go to Palma for a quid!
Anyone who'd wish to reboot their router/modem just so they can have another vote needs to get out more... I suggest a nice little holiday somewhere warm.
Rob - behind you.
The burgers are burning.
The symbol of the South of England is to be white, gagged with a bridle, passive and immobile.
It took me a great deal of effort to slip this Enoch Powell allegory by the politically correct censors.
I have a smaller version planned for Wellington Crescent.
Luv and XXXX
Victoria
Chairperson of Statue Selectors.
kiacc are now saying that they doubt this will provide more than a dozen jobs..... Hardly worth Ruining Ramsgate for.
KIACC may be in favour in principal but they've done all of us, 'pro and anti', a big favour reminding those tired old duffers that they risk one or two legal challenges should they try and force a decision tonight.
Bring it on!
STOP PRESS: Plane crashes into house five minutes from landing in NY state. Could this be Ramsgate in a few years?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7887555.stm
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