Blog entry for May 10th 2024. "I have just bought a house in the town of Manston and travel on the train to London to work. Life would be so much easier if I could fly into London City airport or even to the Heliport, why isn't there an airfield in Kent that will provide this service?"
So Roger Gale will have you believe, these people have the best intention of the airport at hand? moreover he states that the offer(s) have been fair and proper, good profit margin and so on? I would say to Roger Gale, if you bought your home 25 years ago for 90.000 pounds, and today it is worth 550.000 pounds, and you were to sell it for 390.000 pounds, to me that's 300.000 pounds of profit not bad, would he sell it, or would he want a minimum of full market value, or potentially more in an improving market, were the profit can be far more in a few months. what do you think?
I wish people would leave Mrs Gloag alone, what has she done wrong? she is a hard but fair Lady, that is how she has succeeded in business, and it is a business, any business will close if there is no profit, end of. Mrs Gloag runs successful business' in many sectors and knows how to, she is also a big contributor to charities, leave the lady alone, she is not evil, just doing the right thing. many want an airport here to plane spot, and run small business' within its grounds, they can go elsewhere, we need real re-generation in Ramsgate, thanet and Manston, role on a multi use site, of homes, schools, doctors surgeries, offices, factories, offer far more employment than the part time fork lift truck driver jobs there now. DONT PANIC AND CARRY ON MRS GLOAG you have far more backing than you know for this closure. Dig up the runway ASAP, and put an end to it. and the slammers leave her, you have no idea how much good she does clearly which make the manstonfiles pretty selfish never mind losses keep it open is there philosophy along with Gale and the rest of the rent a mob. Clearly not business people in the real sence. Mrs Gloag is.
Don't worry, 9:01, for TDC are planning a VTOL port on the old Pleasurama site having just recovered the lease back from the developers.
If things go to plan, this is expected to be ready for 2034 by which time suitable aircraft that can climb up unstable chalk cliffs on take off should be available. This despite protestations about tsunamis from a very elderly bookshop owner in Ramsgate and pollution from the long running mayor candidate who still has not realised there is no election for mayor.
i see Nicholas Reed of Why Not Manston is advocating a boycott of Stagecoach buses and suggests a protest at their head office. Well this venture is nothing to do with Stagecoach - Ann Gloag is a shareholder along with thousands others. I wonder if he realises the head office is in Perth, Scotland. Mind you, since when does business knowledge or geography stop him from spouting rubbish.
10.10 I don't think that heart has anything to do with encouraging Gloag to build houses. There is no future airport. If you look on the internet and see how many small airports have been developed in the last few years. They are prime targets as they are classed as brown field sites. Now looking at the amount of houses (1000) and the size of land that she wants to use they are very close together. This is the thing we all need to be protesting about. With enough complaints from Thanet residents, there may be a chance for us to get some houses built that would be good for Thanet (large houses with big plots)
Manston obviously has a future as a fracking farm or as a cannabis production facility run by TDC Enterprises which will end what's left of it's financial viability.
Not sure if anyone else has done this but I see the save manston top gear challenge is on Wednesday with drivers going from Parliament to Gatwick and Parliament to Manston to see which is quicker. AA route planner makes the Gatwick trip 1hour 4mins and Manston 1hour 54mins. I must be missing something?
8.42 pm, I would imagine their argument is going to be travel further to manston with a shorter check in time. A package. A package holiday firm might recommend arriving 3 hours before at gatwick, where manston will say 20 or 30 mins, making the net journey time less. the elephant in the room of course is that no package operators fly out of manston, and if lots of them chose to, the check in times would of course increase killing off any perceived time gains by travelling 75 miles instead of 35.
Anon at 8:42 pm. Good point. But perhaps the ease of parking and distance to the actual terminal from the car park might even things out a bit in Manston's favour, but with no aircraft to board there's not much point.
With the airport race on today you have to wonder how many have checked their car insurance or informed their insurers. Most policies expressly forbid the use of a private vehicle for racing. Just saying.
24 hours until 30.000 people of Ramsgate and more in some of the villages can live in peace. Young at school, the elderly in fear of night flights and everyone with a job will not losr there jobs because they cannot function due to being woken at night or day if your on shift work.
Role on tomorrow, shall we have a garden party on the runway Friday night, bring your own food and drink, we can fire up a BBQ.
Always wondered why planes can't take off over Pegwell Bay and not over Ramsgate town. Anyone have the answer ? At other airports such as Stockholm they have curved approaches to avoid flying over houses so why can't Manston do this too?
Interesting point, 9.52am. We've had that debate in the past, especially when night flights were threatened.
If I remember correctly, there has always been a standing instruction for planes to avoid flying over Ramsgate and make a curved approach over Pegwell Bay. However, Manston ATC say they can only advise that, the final decision lies with the pilot, for 'safety reasons'. Invariably they choose to come straight over Ramsgate, because it saves a few drops of fuel.
Of course, if we didn't have a supine local authority, they could perhaps have made a curved approach more, er, mandatory.
So there you have it. Planes fly over Ramsgate because greedy, cheapskate airlines don't want to spend a few more quid on fuel, because we have an airport that is a bad neighbour, and because we have a council that would let them fly jumbos up their back passage if it meant keeping their precious Manston open!
In support of ECR the same applied to the eastern approach. There was technology that would guide planes in avoiding Herne Bay and St Nicholas but the air lines didn't use it and continue to navigate in by the Church tower and their AA road atlas. It makes you wonder if such mitigating measures had been enforced there may not have been so much opposition? not that it would have made much difference to the final analysis come tomorrow.
If the airport closes it doesn't mean its over, when a new company takes over it can re open. Seems that some of you on here cannot get that into your tiny closed off minds ;)
Hardly likely, 1.28pm, what with all the aviation companies relocating, all the flights transferred to other airports, all the slots gone, and an owner who wants to tear up the runway and build houses there.
Unless you mean a 'Hanton' style model airport, like the one at Beaconsfield I've just written about?
Then again, who knows, with drone technology coming on apace, the lucky owners of the executive homes at Manston Gloag Village might be able to have a plane in each of their capacious back yards!
The T shirt wearers have announced their findings House of Commons to Gatwick 3 hrs 35 mins HoC to Manston 2 hrs 34 mins - I kid you not. They work off 2 hour check in time at Gatwick (clearly not heard of online check in)and 31 mins at Manston???. Intersting is that they took 1 hr 35 mins to drive 28.3 miles to Gatwick yet they did the 76 miles to Manston in 1 hr 33 mins. How you check in when the last plane left weeks ago is also a bit of a mystery. Marksman
Gloag does charitable things, many of them across the world, she is also a great business Lady with sense of what to do when and how, she knows how to make money and as an airfield it never has, so do not mix charities with business as this is what Gale and the Manston idiots want, its purely a business decision to close it and do something else with the land.
The ILS landing system requires a straight approach on a 3 degree flight path for several miles... You can't use a curve unless you fly a visual approach. Most heavy aircraft use an ILS approach . not got the same ILS system from the Minster end hence fewer land that way
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thanks for the corporate blurb from River oak. It is almost plausible..till you get to the last line.
Marksman
We need zero houses at Manston and more fields and water supply protection. The sooner TDC reasserts control of it the better
Blog entry for May 10th 2024. "I have just bought a house in the town of Manston and travel on the train to London to work. Life would be so much easier if I could fly into London City airport or even to the Heliport, why isn't there an airfield in Kent that will provide this service?"
So Roger Gale will have you believe, these people have the best intention of the airport at hand? moreover he states that the offer(s) have been fair and proper, good profit margin and so on? I would say to Roger Gale, if you bought your home 25 years ago for 90.000 pounds, and today it is worth 550.000 pounds, and you were to sell it for 390.000 pounds, to me that's 300.000 pounds of profit not bad, would he sell it, or would he want a minimum of full market value, or potentially more in an improving market, were the profit can be far more in a few months. what do you think?
I wish people would leave Mrs Gloag alone, what has she done wrong? she is a hard but fair Lady, that is how she has succeeded in business, and it is a business, any business will close if there is no profit, end of. Mrs Gloag runs successful business' in many sectors and knows how to, she is also a big contributor to charities, leave the lady alone, she is not evil, just doing the right thing. many want an airport here to plane spot, and run small business' within its grounds, they can go elsewhere, we need real re-generation in Ramsgate, thanet and Manston, role on a multi use site, of homes, schools, doctors surgeries, offices, factories, offer far more employment than the part time fork lift truck driver jobs there now. DONT PANIC AND CARRY ON MRS GLOAG you have far more backing than you know for this closure. Dig up the runway ASAP, and put an end to it. and the slammers leave her, you have no idea how much good she does clearly which make the manstonfiles pretty selfish never mind losses keep it open is there philosophy along with Gale and the rest of the rent a mob. Clearly not business people in the real sence. Mrs Gloag is.
9.01 there is, its called, Lydd, Headcorn, Marden.
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/package-holiday-pioneer-goes-into-administration-2092535.html
http://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.php?id=1144398
Don't worry, 9:01, for TDC are planning a VTOL port on the old Pleasurama site having just recovered the lease back from the developers.
If things go to plan, this is expected to be ready for 2034 by which time suitable aircraft that can climb up unstable chalk cliffs on take off should be available. This despite protestations about tsunamis from a very elderly bookshop owner in Ramsgate and pollution from the long running mayor candidate who still has not realised there is no election for mayor.
i see Nicholas Reed of Why Not Manston is advocating a boycott of Stagecoach buses and suggests a protest at their head office. Well this venture is nothing to do with Stagecoach - Ann Gloag is a shareholder along with thousands others. I wonder if he realises the head office is in Perth, Scotland. Mind you, since when does business knowledge or geography stop him from spouting rubbish.
Marksman
Monday morning, Hart resigns as leader blaming Driver.
Well one resignation so far, how many more? "economical with the actualité"
Leader of the let's build houses all over Manston tribe has resigned. That's good news for the future airport.
10.10
I don't think that heart has anything to do with encouraging Gloag to build houses. There is no future airport. If you look on the internet and see how many small airports have been developed in the last few years. They are prime targets as they are classed as brown field sites. Now looking at the amount of houses (1000) and the size of land that she wants to use they are very close together. This is the thing we all need to be protesting about. With enough complaints from Thanet residents, there may be a chance for us to get some houses built that would be good for Thanet (large houses with big plots)
Manston obviously has a future as a fracking farm or as a cannabis production facility run by TDC Enterprises which will end what's left of it's financial viability.
To quote a former blogger, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No manston no houses and no hart is a good day for thanet
macgonigal and moores must go
Dear Sister Assumpta
Now Manston is in terminal decline, does that mean its now an Ecumenical matter or can they feck off?
Mr Bash T Bishop
Not sure if anyone else has done this but I see the save manston top gear challenge is on Wednesday with drivers going from Parliament to Gatwick and Parliament to Manston to see which is quicker. AA route planner makes the Gatwick trip 1hour 4mins and Manston 1hour 54mins. I must be missing something?
8.42 pm, I would imagine their argument is going to be travel further to manston with a shorter check in time. A package. A package holiday firm might recommend arriving 3 hours before at gatwick, where manston will say 20 or 30 mins, making the net journey time less.
the elephant in the room of course is that no package operators fly out of manston, and if lots of them chose to, the check in times would of course increase killing off any perceived time gains by travelling 75 miles instead of 35.
Good luck to them, I hope they 'win'.
8:42 .. re travel times:
transportdirect.info gives these ..
GATWICK 1hr 16 by public transport, 1hr 21 by car
MANSTON 2hr 39 by public transport, 2hr by car.
I let the train take the strain every time.
You're missing the times will be including check-in times for each airport and time taken from parking to the door... these are part of the equation..
Anon at 8:42 pm. Good point. But perhaps the ease of parking and distance to the actual terminal from the car park might even things out a bit in Manston's favour, but with no aircraft to board there's not much point.
With the airport race on today you have to wonder how many have checked their car insurance or informed their insurers. Most policies expressly forbid the use of a private vehicle for racing. Just saying.
What planes are flying in or pout of Manston now? The last flights are tomorrow?
24 hours until 30.000 people of Ramsgate and more in some of the villages can live in peace. Young at school, the elderly in fear of night flights and everyone with a job will not losr there jobs because they cannot function due to being woken at night or day if your on shift work.
Role on tomorrow, shall we have a garden party on the runway Friday night, bring your own food and drink, we can fire up a BBQ.
Always wondered why planes can't take off over Pegwell Bay and not over Ramsgate town. Anyone have the answer ? At other airports such as Stockholm they have curved approaches to avoid flying over houses so why can't Manston do this too?
Interesting point, 9.52am. We've had that debate in the past, especially when night flights were threatened.
If I remember correctly, there has always been a standing instruction for planes to avoid flying over Ramsgate and make a curved approach over Pegwell Bay. However, Manston ATC say they can only advise that, the final decision lies with the pilot, for 'safety reasons'. Invariably they choose to come straight over Ramsgate, because it saves a few drops of fuel.
Of course, if we didn't have a supine local authority, they could perhaps have made a curved approach more, er, mandatory.
So there you have it. Planes fly over Ramsgate because greedy, cheapskate airlines don't want to spend a few more quid on fuel, because we have an airport that is a bad neighbour, and because we have a council that would let them fly jumbos up their back passage if it meant keeping their precious Manston open!
Well, that's my take on it anyway.
In support of ECR the same applied to the eastern approach. There was technology that would guide planes in avoiding Herne Bay and St Nicholas but the air lines didn't use it and continue to navigate in by the Church tower and their AA road atlas. It makes you wonder if such mitigating measures had been enforced there may not have been so much opposition? not that it would have made much difference to the final analysis come tomorrow.
Marksman
If the airport closes it doesn't mean its over, when a new company takes over it can re open. Seems that some of you on here cannot get that into your tiny closed off minds ;)
Hardly likely, 1.28pm, what with all the aviation companies relocating, all the flights transferred to other airports, all the slots gone, and an owner who wants to tear up the runway and build houses there.
Unless you mean a 'Hanton' style model airport, like the one at Beaconsfield I've just written about?
Then again, who knows, with drone technology coming on apace, the lucky owners of the executive homes at Manston Gloag Village might be able to have a plane in each of their capacious back yards!
The T shirt wearers have announced their findings House of Commons to Gatwick 3 hrs 35 mins HoC to Manston 2 hrs 34 mins - I kid you not. They work off 2 hour check in time at Gatwick (clearly not heard of online check in)and 31 mins at Manston???. Intersting is that they took 1 hr 35 mins to drive 28.3 miles to Gatwick yet they did the 76 miles to Manston in 1 hr 33 mins. How you check in when the last plane left weeks ago is also a bit of a mystery.
Marksman
Between Manston and Gatwick - I'd choose Gatwick...theres an airport at Gatwick
Gloag does charitable things, many of them across the world, she is also a great business Lady with sense of what to do when and how, she knows how to make money and as an airfield it never has, so do not mix charities with business as this is what Gale and the Manston idiots want, its purely a business decision to close it and do something else with the land.
The ILS landing system requires a straight approach on a 3 degree flight path for several miles... You can't use a curve unless you fly a visual approach. Most heavy aircraft use an ILS approach .
not got the same ILS system from the Minster end hence fewer land that way
Sweet dreams everyone. No more early morning 747's.
MANSTON HAD TO GO NO CPO
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