Friday, April 25, 2014

Terminal Decline

http://www.thanetgazette.co.uk/Guests-confirmed-Manston-Airport-meeting/story-20994579-detail/story.html
Holy airports! With just 24 hours to go until the big 'Save Manston' meeting over on the seedier north side of the island, news that he's a 'confirmed guest' appears to have come as, well, news to Councillor Biggles, the island's self-styled resident expert on all things aviation.

In response to a story in The Gazunder alleging that he'd be attending along with usual suspects Sir Roger Gale MP and Laura Sandys MP, Simes sent this rather sharp tweet back to the hacks: 'I have not confirmed anything other than I am working on Saturday!!'

In all likelihood he'll be up in his teeny-tiny plane, hand on joystick, tugging a banner over Old Trafford. Which seems to be his regular gig these days.

Hey-ho. Support for the 'Save Manston' campaign has hardly set the tarmac on fire. I've seen only one 'Keep Calm and Save Manston' poster displayed on the island (in Westgate, natch!), and the mini-mob in the photo seems to be composed of a few old gippers and some embarrassed children who've been dragged along by their grandparents. Do they really think they're going to fill the Winter Gardens? I expect some of you will tell me tomorrow!

Meanwhile it's been revealed via one of those Freedom of Information thingies that Kent County Council couldn't be arsed to even look at the legals when the current owner, Scottish squillionaire Ann Gloag, bought the place for a quid off Infratil last year. Neither, indeed, did KCC's Tory leader Paul Carter, aka Sir Paul Ruddyfaced-Man. And they're not even bovvered about casting their glass eye over any of Sir Rog's current 'negotiations'. Here's what KCC's FOI response says:

I can confirm that neither Mr Paul Carter, nor any officer of Kent County Council (KCC) holds any information relating to the Heads of Terms or the sale by Infratil of Manston Airport. Also, neither Mr Carter nor any officers of KCC were they shown any Heads of Terms either by the buyer or the seller or any third party. Furthermore, KCC holds no information on how many and which businesses who asked for the closure of the airport were prevented from taking it over and in response to your third question relating to negotiations reported in the media, KCC holds no information that you requested. KCC has not been and is not a party to any of these negotiations.

Which is quite surprising really, given the kerfuffle KCC and Sir PR-M have made about Manston. What with their talk about a new railway station, planes 'flying straight out to sea', 'longest runway in Britain', and the like. Not to mention all the lovely taxpayers' lolly they've lavished on it over the years.

The words 'washing', 'their' and 'hands of it' spring to mind. You do have to wonder whether they were just using the place as a stalking horse to chase off Boris Island, thus keeping their lovely, northwest Kent cottages nice and peaceful at night.

Needless to say, Paul Carter, like Biggles, is not a 'confirmed guest' for tomorrow's meeting. Happy landings!!

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Anonymous said...

Simon Moores is an experienced pilot, owns an aeroplane and earns a living flying it. To a few this makes him a someone to despise. This I do not understand.

Schmoozyschlepp said...

So - is Manston Parkway still on the cards? Given Mrs Gloag's interests in rail transport... Now that there's no airport to link with, it would be a shame to dig up all that good agricultural land. Or are the headbangers still continuing with the project?

Anonymous said...

I rather think that the head in sandy's still applies

Anonymous said...

I think the campaign group are doing a great Richard as your a Thanet blogger I find your posts to be quite off the mark and downright negative, do you ever have anything positive to say? or do you like to wallow in negativity bandied around by media groups who trott out the same shit you do.

Richard Eastcliff said...

If you're referring to me, 2:27pm, then I have to assure you that I do not 'despise' Simon. If you had followed this blog for the last nine years, you would see that there has been a certain amount of badinage between me and him, most of it good-humoured. Apart from the times when I have called him out for a certain amount of, er, hypocrisy. And then there was the time he threatened to sue... Um...

As for Manston Parkway, Mr S, I think KCC are in the process of walking away from a dead duck. The chances of them crossing Roger's palm with silver to save his precious airport, which seems to be his last drink in the last chance saloon, are about the same as one of those knackered old jumbos that are parked up there taking off any day soon!

Richard Eastcliff said...

Au contraire, 2:46pm. I am countering the massively over-optimistic sh*t which the local media pumps out. After all, it was them what told us there would be '10,000 Jobs!' at the airport by now! Ha!

Perhaps you should keep your sh*t up your a*sehole, where it belongs, in future? Only suggesting.

Allan Mallinson said...

Well I suppose you had to write something, Richard, to cheer up poor old Dim Tim after the previous posting. For someone who claims to be an advertising guru, Tim has evidently not done much research on the PR/Marketing side. Such reveals that one poor review can outweigh dozens of favourable ones, so the comments on the last post will have hardly helped Surin trade. What a silly man and it was all so unnecessary.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2.27, I don't think anyone "despises" Moores because he is a pilot and runs a successful aviation business. That would be a very strange position for anyone to adopt - unless of course he had caused them harm through his commercial activities.

Many do have strong negative feelings about him, and have, over time, offered the following as their reasons:

boastfulness
constant self-promotion
"imaginative" representation of his personal achievements
manipulative, waspish and snide attacks on political opponents

to cite just a few.

I hope this is helpful. I agree with you that to direct hatred at him for being a qualified pilot would be unacceptable.



Anonymous said...

I'm no big fan of Dr Moores, but if he manages to save the airport then I'll gladly kiss his *rse. In public.

Richard Eastcliff said...

I'll bid for the Polaroids!

Allan Mallinson said...

What a shame 3:06 that you are not brave enough to put a name to your decimation of another's character.

Anonymous said...

Why would anybody waste a load of aviation fuel flying a few hundred miles just to fly a banner over a football field? Think of all that pollution being emitted on what is just a long distance joy ride.

Anonymous said...

Actually 3:24, it is a commercial advertising operation for which the aviator is paid. I would have thought, as a big time advertising executive, you would be aware of that.

Actually, I lie for I don't think you are aware of anything.

Anonymous said...

There are hundreds of posters around Thanet..
They aren't using the main hall at the Winter Gardens ..
I repeat that the airport will not close .. and the input of SMA and WNM has made no difference to that fact..

Anonymous said...

Exactly 3:49, they're using the Queen's Hall (capacity 400) instead of the Main Hall (capacity nearly 2000).

Simon Moores said...

Well thanks for all the kind and not so kind words here today. I'm hoping to raffle a Man UTD shirt for charity on eBay, should anyone feel generous. As for over imaginative" it was not so long ago our friend here was alleging that being a pilot was another of my 'Walter Mitty fantasies' but perhaps being a politician counts as one too.. who knows anymore!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=281319314027

Peter Checksfield said...

Which charity?

Anonymous said...

It would be wrong to make this strand just about you, Mr Moores, but having authored the 3.06 comment, I can say that I have never questioned your job/qualifications as a pilot. You appear to be confusing me with someone else who has, perhaps, challenged you in the (recent or distant) past. I suspect there are many in the local population.

Anonymous said...

Its nice of the Winter Gardens to give people who have trouble with numbers a room. I hear that they have asked a few MPs to help them.

Joe Turner said...

I don't believe the Parkway station was ever actually on the cards - other than in the imaginations of a few local politicians who seemed to think that having it on some plans would make the housing development (and - though exactly how was never explained - the port) look better.

The hurdles required to build a new train station are massive. It is not just a local decision to be made by the planners of KCC and TDC.

The idea that Network Rail, Southeastern and whoever else needs to be notified and consulted would allow a train station to be built in an area which already has 7 stations is balmy. Maybe if it was a single parkway station to replace all the others, but I doubt it even then.

Anonymous said...

Whaaaat? KCC were never even informed of the Glaog purchase and plans for Manston?

Well done ECR as this is very concerning after all the KCC money spent on KLM, car parks, EUjet and now Parways.

In the Gazette I note Manston debts too from Botswana Airways and details of the high air pollution.

When will the Police investigate the removal of the air monitors by TDC and KCC with Infratil? Everyone in the South East has been affected by this crime.

Anonymous said...

Moores' banner won't be advertising the 0% corruption that's for sure!

Anonymous said...

In a word, 6:35, never because it is not a crime.

Anonymous said...

This "Save Manston" bunch are a weird looking lot. There's one who thinks he's Tom Cruise and another one who looks like Ian Hislop. And there's only 18 of them.

I read the ridiculous letters in this week's Gazette and they're clearly losing the plot. They keep banging on about anti-airport campaigners. But there has never been an anti-airport campaign. The Manston Airport Group only ever campaigned for reasonable controls and the No Night Flights Group were even more targetted, wanting only to restrict night flights to the kinds of levels seen at other airports.

I know it's a mistake to respond to the petrol heads. They're only thrashing about in impotent rage trying to find someone to blame. After 15 years of talking the airport up it must be very hard to find out that you were wrong all along, that it has no potential and that you have only yourself to blame because you weren't capable of putting aside your prejudices when you looked at the evidence.

I hope the airport closes soon and closes quickly. It really isn't doing anybody any good to have this debacle dragging on and there isn't any point in letting the petrol-heads run away with a campaign that is doomed from the outset.

One final thing I think is worth mentioning. When MAG and the No Night Flights Campaigns held meetings they ALWAYS invited representatives of the airport and of the pro-airport lobby to address the meeting. More often than not these people made fools of themselves and did more for the anti night-flights cause than any anything Steve Higgins could ever have done. I just wondered why the petrol-heads haven't invited anybody from MAG or No Night Flights to address their meeting. Presumably, they are afraid of open debate and only want a meeting where everybody agrees with each other...which tells you why the airport is doomed; the only people backing it are small-minded and parochial; not so much a local shop as a local airport.

Anonymous said...

Botswana Airways or whoever they actually we're have nothing to do with Manston. I promise you an aircraft of theirs has never been to Manston. I thought Air Atlanta were on those premises actually?
If half a dozen flights a week creates that much pollution and disease locally you would expect court cases galore around Heathrow and Gatwick.

Anonymous said...

7:14 to the power of 3, are you so proud of your piece of prose that you had to publish it three times. Actually, it is not that good and the bit about not inviting the anti airport voices, well it is a public meeting that anyone can attend. Why don't you turn up and speak up for the case for closure.

Anonymous said...

Why do TDC and the Gazette say Botswana Airlines owe £25k in tax then 7:17?

Manston is less than half a dozen flights now but certainly wasn't with EUJET/Ifratil/KLM were they? And the plans were for at least 30 flights per night.

Infratil have to be admired for removing the monitors and poisoning you and your family. Why you defend that I'm sure you can explain?

Anonymous said...

The retired CO of Manston MOD/FIRE last week in Gazette was equally ridiclous pretending he know nothing of the pollution there or job losses scaremongering. Saving in tax more like!

Anonymous said...

Garbutt, do us all a favour and shut the f**k up, there's a good chap.

Anonymous said...

If we had $1 for every time the Tim-obsessives accuse someone of being Tim we could all buy Manston for them! Although they'd still mess up how it was run! Garbutt for Mayor: Time for Change.

Anonymous said...

"A certain amount of badinage".

Yes the good humoured spat about, "Don't tell him Pikey".

A ceasefire when ECR, Tony Flaig and, dare I say it, Rick modestly supported Simon's worthy Christmas charity flight fundraiser.

And the inexorable process of history yielding its secrets smippet by snippet None of which have been at all helpful to Simon's cause.

But Simon got to tick something off his bucket list. The interview under caution by police. Achieved.

He emerged stir crazy a victim of injustice.

But still with a commendable grip on economic reality.

I look forward to further badinage.



Anonymous said...

So, after years of being told how Manston would provide economic salvation, we begin to find out how much it has cost us. The first tranche of unpaid business rates is from Botswana Airways. We await the next instalment. Meanwhile, we are left to wonder why TDC allowed the deficit to run up to £44,000. Did they turn a blind eye, as they did with Transeuropa, because it wasn't politically acceptable to do anything which could be construed as damaging the airport?

Anonymous said...

"Smippet" ? Old Thumper intake got me.

Anonymous said...

Why do some people think that because most of us are utterly sick of Garbutt and his silly comments that we are obsessed with him. Quite the opposite, in the same way he wants rid of Manston, we want rid of him.

It is indeed, time for change like time for Garbutt to be silenced.

Anonymous said...

When you say "we" 8:09? Tim would make a wonderful mayor. You don't like him? So what. Even you can see the existing lot are merely Party fanatics and have done nothing. How longer do you want them in power? Another year? 5 years? No, they have failed and you may be one of them.

8:07 is right in that the costs o Manston are now emerging. £44k for one airline? What about the others and KCC investments?

Anonymous said...

Oh yes the story that Simon overflew Pfizer during a hazardous viagra cloud rise.

Simon radioed Manston Control "Does Dim Tim know about this ?"

"Manston control to Simon. His wife says he is out there pumping up balloons with Pfizer air for later use Over"

"Simon to Manston Control he must be prepating to stiffen his resolve over"

He's such a wag that Simes.





Anonymous said...

If Tim would make such a wonderful mayor or MP, why doesn't he actually stand for election or is he barred?

Anonymous said...

8:20, please do not tell us you thought that was funny. Funny peculiar perhaps, but witty, most definitely not.

Schmoozyschlepp said...

It's Ms S to you ECR - v. relieved to hear a bit of consensus forming around the Manston Parkway being dropped.

However, according to that great paper of record, the Thanet Gazette, the UKIP headbangers have a thrilling plan to EXPAND airport - with a second runway... wow, that will work out at about one plane per runway per day! Still if it gets them the 12,000 Manston lovers' votes, it's worth a bit of er, "blue-sky thinking" innit?

Anonymous said...

30 flights a night? Really?
Everything is bad for you. I live on a main road. That affects my health more than a few jets. Air conditioned offices and ready meals are bad too. I will die either way.

Anonymous said...

8:23 you're being mischevious. You know full well Tim refused to stand because the council was corrupt etc.

You make a good point though, what if he refuses to stand again? We'll be left with the same Duffers.

So answer my question - how long should they continue for such failure? Another year? 5 years? A clearout?

Anonymous said...

8:55 can we help hasten you along?

30 night flights was what Infratil confirmed (with TDC) as required.

You're right a main road is bad for you. Possibly ready meals and aircon but you seem too stupid to be believed. And airplane pollution hence removing monitors by TDC/Infratil is a crime.

Anonymous said...

Good points 8:26 what idiots UKIP are. A 2nd runway? How? Bulldoze Manston village or Westgate?

Looks like Latchford's votes haven't thought this through...

Richard Eastcliff said...

7.14's triple whammy was a spot of finger trouble methinks, so I've deleted two of them. Keep up the quality badinage!

Richard Eastcliff said...

Er, and I've let 'Pikey' through on the grounds that I used the term recently and, despite regretting it subsequently, I don't want to be labelled a hypocrite. Memories of the 2006 'Gippo' spat on Biggles' blog an' all that.

Anonymous said...

Why is Botswana International Airlines registered in South Africa? That's usually a front for gun-running isn't it? We've had a few of those at Manston and Ostend?

Next TDC will be registering Kent's biggest seafront development in the British Virgin Islands tax haven?

Anonymous said...

KCC and Gloag FOI: didn't Carter meet with Gloag to announce his delight at her taking over Manston? And Hart meets with Buchanan each month?

Where are the minutes of those meetings?

Richard Eastcliff said...

Sorry, had to delete a Tim comment there. It's OK to commit culinary suicide by calling the nation's top food critic a bully over Twitter, but not OK to spout libellous drivel on someone else's blog so they get sued. Still we are talking here about a man who preferred to go to jail rather than change the name of his PR firm because it was infringing someone else's IP, so I guess he's not too bothered about staying within the bounds of the law. I, on the other hand, am.

So keep that drivel for your own blog Tim, there's a good fellow.

Anonymous said...

Jail? Tell us more!

Anonymous said...

So it seems that TDC are trying to broker a deal to make Manston a freight only hub. I am so sick of this f**king scaremongering from TDC ruining the place I live. Cant they see its not what Ramsgate needs or Thanet. It wont be long before all the good work that has been done (for free) by the people of Ramsgate comes undone and we all give up. Its so hard and try to make the place you live better when TDC keep pulling the rug from under your feet.

Peter Checksfield said...

Fantastic news 11:09!

Anonymous said...

Checkersfield, I will be at The Winter Gardens this afternoon making my views known! Will you???

Anonymous said...

A freight hub? 24/7? Clive must be more hair brained than he looks.

Anonymous said...

11.11
You are a child I have seen how many times you have put a snide comment up so have all the other people on here just because you live in a s**thole it doesn't mean we all do some people work hard to make the place they live better other people just sit on their computer making wind up remarks so do us all a favour and fu*k off PR*CK

Anonymous said...

11:32, coming from you that last remark is rich. At least Peter runs his own business, keeps himself fit and does not live off his wife's efforts like some.

Live with it, Manston will only be saved if sufficient people want that. If that happens your own selfish desires are irrelevant. It is called democracy.

Anonymous said...

Manston Parkway couldn't be dropped as no-one in their right mind who'd actually be responsbile for building it would ever have picked it up.

Build a railway station in the middle of nowhere, where there are no passengers to pick up in the first place? When there are two stations a ten-minute bus journey from where you'd want to pick up passengers from? After they'd have to have taken a bus journey to your new station anyway?

It was *never* more than an insult to the intelligence of the electorate, nothing more. And an dead easy one to bang on about as, of course when (not if) it was demonstrated to be unviable (by Netowrk Rail) because the investment (to be made by Network Rail) would never be returned, either TDC or KCC or whoever else would be able to blame...Network Rail!

Anonymous said...

Time for your tablets, 11:58? Is Parkway really the topic here or just your personal gripe.

Anonymous said...

11.48
You know nothing about me but its clear that you have a thing for peter not that i mind but if your b/f goes around making sh*t comments all the time hes going to get a response
As for living in a democracy thats fine but Manston is being held up by tax payers money you may sit at home waiting for your b/f to come home but some people go out to work and have to pay for your fu*king stupidity

Anonymous said...

Not you though 12:02, eh? Your trade mark on blog comments would leave no time for work. See your obsession with sex shines through as ever. You know it is possible to debate in support of someone without wishing to examine the contents of their underwear.

Manston Supporter said...

Interested to read that "Fantastic news" is now suddenly a snide comment. The minds, or lack of them, of some people are beyond the comprehension of the normal.

Anonymous said...

Have you watched the Council web cast? One-time blog pedant Barry James is featured. He sounds just like I expected! You don't want to do it like that ;)

Anonymous said...


Let's have a brawl on the Tarmac.

The Pro-Airport dodderers vs Everyone else.

One hour time-limit. Imagine Eppy, Chequeredpast et al in their 'Stay Calm and Save Manston' branded sportswear.

Let's do it!!,

Anonymous said...

12.11 11.09
Dont worry there is a snow flakes chance in hells chance of Manston becoming a cargo airport as there is real competition from the big boys East Midlands, Stansted, Heathrow, they dont stand a chance. All of big boys are better positioned and are already set up with big backers ready to push out any competition coming from manston.
If anybody tells you different (MPs) they just dont know what their talking about.
This is also why Manston does not have a chance
UK Civil Aviation Authority removed price cap controls for cargo services at the Stansted airport, following a two-year review of its cargo operations. Only Heathrow and Gatwick now remain price regulated.

Anonymous said...

1.43

Excellent. Simple facts that cut through the bo...cks posted here by the airport dreamers.

Anonymous said...

1.38

They'd never get to throw a punch, just end up running around saying 'You're Tim' to everyone. Idiots.

Anonymous said...

1.46
It took ten mins to find that out. I hope they don't come back from their meeting with cargo hopes. Here is something i found.
“We want Stansted to be the UK freighter hub – London needs a dedicated hub and we are just an hour from Heathrow. It’s perfectly placed. It’s been no secret that we’ve been talking to Manston’s customers for about a year already.

Anonymous said...

Good idea 1:38. Bags I take Tim.

Anonymous said...

What a poor sad demented creature you are 1:53. Are you so unsure about Manston that you have to keep writing your rubbish to convince yourself. Certainly you are convincing nobody else.

By the way, I am not saying you are Tim, but, if you are not, you should be. You share a common preference for the idiotic.

Anonymous said...

1:53, earlier you said you were going to the meeting to have your say, but, if you are still in Ramsgate at 1:53, you have left it too late. No, don't tell me, you bottled it because all the people there are corrupt in the same way that you bottle the elections you claim to be a candidate in. Why does JOKER spring to mind?

Anonymous said...

2.27 You're wee Willy Epps!

William Epps said...

Sorry to disappoint, 2:42, but whilst getting some slight pleasure from this silly exchange, only by wonderment at the depths people can plumb, I saw nothing worth responding to so far.

Perhaps things may improve when the active minds return from the Manston meeting.

Anonymous said...

2.27
poor sad demented creature
idiotic
You say this about me without anything said about you or your b/f what will people think of you?
I'm not bickering about anybody just pointing out the facts.
I just don't want the stupid convincing the stupid MPs that a failed airport has any other option than to close. But if it makes you happy to insult people on blogs for no reason then carry on but don't expect me to keep on answering you
But you are not fooling anybody we all know you are the same person just using a Anon

Anonymous said...

2.36
Why would someone from Ramsgate go to a save manston meeting for people who support saving Manston??????????????????????????????

Anonymous said...

'Active Minds'

How funny.

Allan Mallinson said...

2:49, funny but sometimes you accuse me of the same thing or you come up with your three stooges which can be any three from Peter Checksfield, John Holyer, William Epps and myself.

Look, just get your head round it, William Epps is far from alone in thinking you are off your trolley. You like to claim that all the anons are not Tim so why should you think you have some special way of identifying them. Most of us with half a grain of grey matter use similar phrases whilst several of those less endowed make repetitive spelling and grammar errors. It proves nothing.

Anonymous said...

2.27

Google 'Stanstead targets Manston' and see for yourself. Now shut the f..k up you blithering idiot!

Peter Checksfield said...

As I said, fantastic news if it happens.

There's a letter in this week's Gazette from someone who works in the catering department at Manston Airport, stating how they're cancelling regular big orders from a bakers in Birchington and a stationers in Herne Bay amongst others. So these things have a knock-on effect.

I do wonder how those who run restaurants (or whose wives run restaurants) in Thanet get all their ingredients. Presumably it all comes by sea rather than air. Perhaps any restauranters reading can confirm this?

I also wonder if those people who claim to care about Thanet support one of Thanet's biggest employers, namely Thanet Earth. Air freight is essential for their survival.

Love, Peace 'n' Planes!

Anonymous said...

Perchance, 2:56, because back at 11:19 you said you would be there. Is this an elderly thing or just a memory problem you have.

Peter Checksfield said...

Oh and 11:32, thank you for referring to me as "a child". Even with my incredibly youthful good looks, it's not something that happens often at 51!

Anonymous said...

four stooges funny
They think they are above all the rest of us.
Fu*king idiots

Anonymous said...

I thought you said you were going to the meeting Checksfield?

Anonymous said...

Mental age peter

Peter Checksfield said...

No I didn't say I'd go (I'll leave things in Roger and co's very capable hands).

As for "mental", I'm sure you know all about that.

Anonymous said...

Funny how Thanet Earth didn't feel that Manston was worth using.

No wonder it's game over for RAF Duffer.

Anonymous said...

the readers will decide peter

Allan Mallinson said...

Naughty language 2:59 and you accuse others of rudeness.

Peter, what you say makes sense, but the one track minds are incapable of seeing the bigger picture. Don't worry though because according to Tim, tourism is our big future. Always fancied a job as a deck chair attendant! So much better paid than air traffic or airport firefighter.

Anonymous said...

Any word from the MENSA gathering on the rough-side yet?

Peter Checksfield said...

The readers will decide where you get your ingredients from? Now you've really lost the plot.

Anonymous said...

If it was not for the RAF you would probably have not been born, Tim. Oh shit, so the did get something wrong!

Anonymous said...

Allan 'Tim obsessive' Mallinson.

I don't recall accusing anyone of rudeness.
As for one track minds....

Really darling!!!

Anonymous said...

LOL 3.10
No they are all on here spouting SH*T.

Anonymous said...

3.14

FFS !!!

I'd be talking German, that's all you blithering old buffoon.

Anonymous said...

Are ex convicts allowed to stand for mayor?

Anonymous said...

Doubt it but then enough of our duffers get their collars felt when in office. Ja?

Anonymous said...

3.07
As for "mental", I'm sure you know all about that.
3.08
the readers will decide peter
It cant be that hard for you peter to understand but if it is dont chat on here

William Epps said...

3:14, I really do wish you would make your mind up. I thought I was supposed to be the Tim obsessive and now you say it is Allan. At least we both use our names which is more than can be said for you. You just have a trade mark (well you and your minder).

Anonymous said...

Shut up very little willy

William Epps said...

Since the lunatics appear to have yet again taken over the asylum, I am off for a stroll.

Anonymous said...

Good job BYE

Peter Checksfield said...

Don't chat on here??? Now we're getting the picture, you've no-one to talk to and the mrs is busy in the restaurant so you post on blogs to "chat"! Have you thought of actually going outside for a walk, the same as normal people do? You might meet someone to chat to.

Anonymous said...

Now he's gone out can I just say that I do like a man that flounces. Hot Stuff!!!

Anonymous said...

Don't like the look of you though Peter...

Peter Checksfield said...

Glad to hear it. I'm guessing other fatties are more your thing.

Anonymous said...

Lycra on the over-50 man is a big no-no...x

Peter Checksfield said...

Depends what you've got to show off! ; )

Anonymous said...

As I said, ditch the Lycra babe...x

Anonymous said...

Standing with your legs open like a 80s pop star good look "NOT"

Anonymous said...

Looks like an extra from a Star-Trek convention ;-)

Richard Eastcliff said...

OK Cheggers and co, you've had your fun. Now SHUT IT YOU MUPPETS! Er, yes, I am shouting!

All I want to hear from now on are comments about the airport and its future. Something about the meeting at the Winter Gardens would be useful. And no, I'm not there meself as turkeys don't generally go to meetings about Christmas.

Any more ad hominem attacks will be deleted. Thank you for your co-operation.

Btw I'm much more lenient about grammar and spelling these days as many people seem to be, like me, commenting from portable devices and we all know what predictive text can do to gjide fashion Tesco!

Anonymous said...

When are we expecting the first dispatches from the Margit Summit then?

Anonymous said...

Oooh, obviously ECR is another fatty who doesn't like mixing in the real world!

Anonymous said...

ECR..

Any predictions for the summit headline?

My guess is that Windy will announce a KCC (tax-payer) funded 6 month Moratorium. A waiver of rates etc.

Anonymous said...

When gale has finished telling them there's a future in Manston becoming a cargo only airport with 10,000 jobs.
With no one questioning him about how he has come to that figure or if there's any chance of that ever being successful.

Peter Checksfield said...

You want to discuss the airport, yet ignored my very on-topic post from earlier. Here it is again in case you missed it...

There's a letter in this week's Gazette from someone who works in the catering department at Manston Airport, stating how they're cancelling regular big orders from a bakers in Birchington and a stationers in Herne Bay amongst others. So these things have a knock-on effect.

I do wonder how those who run restaurants (or whose wives run restaurants) in Thanet get all their ingredients. Presumably it all comes by sea rather than air. Perhaps any restauranters reading can confirm this?

I also wonder if those people who claim to care about Thanet support one of Thanet's biggest employers, namely Thanet Earth. Air freight is essential for their survival.

Peter Checksfield said...

As I said 4:05, it has knock-on effects. Workers at the actual airport aren't the only ones who'll suffer.

Anonymous said...

4.04
Gloag will never go for that its losing to much money just wave business rates

Anonymous said...

A NEW BUYER HAS BEEN FOUND (CARGO ONLY)!!! YOU READ IT HERE FIRST!!! R.I.P. RAMSGATE!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

No, Roger Gale has been out bid by the UKIP woman with an even bigger scheme to throw away tax payers money.

Marksman

Anonymous said...

As i have said already if so it wont last for long
Dont worry there is a snow flakes chance in hells chance of Manston becoming a cargo airport as there is real competition from the big boys East Midlands, Stansted, Heathrow, they dont stand a chance. All of big boys are better positioned and are already set up with big backers ready to push out any competition coming from manston.
If anybody tells you different (MPs) they just dont know what their talking about.
This is also why Manston does not have a chance
UK Civil Aviation Authority removed price cap controls for cargo services at the Stansted airport, following a two-year review of its cargo operations. Only Heathrow and Gatwick now remain price regulated.

Anonymous said...

So Cheggers, you want the tax-payer to pay the mortgages of the butcher, the baker and the office-stationery supplier. If they've relied on Manston to prop up their businesses they're fools as well you know.

Quality restaurants are increasingly about locally-sourced produce, though I do recognise that in your neck of the woods the doner kebab is king.

Thanet Earth use Stansted for any exports so that argument doesn't stack up either.

Prosper.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't work for cargo only. Freight doesn't just land - it has to be distributed to the domestic market. Thats why any freight that does land gets whisked off to Heathrow by lorry.

Marksman

Richard Eastcliff said...

I can't see how a few buns from Westgate demonstrates that the airport is propping up the local economy.

While we're back on topic, could I just take the opportunity to dispel the myth that the No Night Flights campaign, of which I am a supporter, 'killed off the airport'. Although the council decided to half-heartedly adopt a moratorium on night flights, there was absolutely no legal mandate for such a ban, and Manston could (and indeed frequently did) ride roughshod over what was in effect merely a democratic 'would be nice if'. Infratil knew that, Gloag knows that, which means that they must have considered the airport unviable as a business even with night flights. Which makes any talk of a 24 cargo airport a non-starter.

I'm going to pop over to Twitter now and see if there's any news of the meeting on that. A bientot!

Anonymous said...

Heathrow has a ban on night flights and a very vocal opposition group including local Tory MPs and seems to do quite well.

Peter Checksfield said...

ECR, your comment at 4:17 is very very similar to that of "Jean Head" in this week's Gazette.... Can it be that the anti-Manston lot are so few in number that they have to make up names when writing letters to the press? Can ECR, TG, SH and JH in fact all be the same person?!

Anonymous said...

That's rich coming from one of the named-then-anonymous as it suits brigade!

Richard Eastcliff said...

Cheggers, do me a favour and go fuck yourself, there's a good chap. Any further incendiary comments from you will be deleted.

Anyhow I'm back from Twitter now and it looks like the same old BS has been trotted out by Wind and co. No sign of any white knight, just more guff about mystery buyers and more pointless meetings.

Manston - more comebacks than Kerry Katona!

Anonymous said...

What happened to Steve Higgins?

Anonymous said...

ECR - funny nothing's out there about the meeting. If there was a glimmer of hope surely the Manstophiles would have been shouting their heads off by now?

Richard Eastcliff said...

Well as I just reported there's the above guff on Twitter. Gazunder reporter Kathy Bailes seems to be the chief cheerleader for the Manstoners. Impartial reporting at its finest, eh?

Anonymous said...

So does anybody know if manston airport is still on track to close?

Anonymous said...

I hear Bailes broke down and wept the day the airport closure was announced. She's a lovely lady but she should not be entrusted with covering the airport surely? How on earth can she be described as objective?

The airport is still closing. The slim Scottish millionaire lady has sung, and that's all that matters.

Anonymous said...

So. The Margate Summit.

Nothing comes of it after two local MP's support, cosying up to the Transport Minister, lobbying KCC and probably TDC.

Time for a statement from Anne Gloag.
Time for facts from Gale.

Are we looking for new jobs or what?

Anonymous said...

Manston is finished. Good riddance.

Anonymous said...

Smalltown idiots and building airports never a good idea proven. How much tax was spent on this.

Anonymous said...

The car park was a million quid or two from seeda

Anonymous said...

P45s next week for Manston?

Anonymous said...

See that Nicholas Reed in the extra online.

'We'll never forget Manston'

Really?

Say's Gloag amazed at local support. Presumably less impressed that the supporters used Gatwick and Heathrow.

Usual old cobblers.

Oh, and old Windy's dragged up another buyer but 'Don't get excited' he said. We won't Roger, we won't.

Anonymous said...

What a lovely afternoon you have had, Timmy, talking mainly to yourself. I have asked you before, but why do you have to go on so if you are convinced Manston is finished?

Anonymous said...

7.16

Wrong. Again. You tedious old duffer.

Anonymous said...

7.16

Address the issues. Stop your silly guessing games.

Anonymous said...

I am appalled at the glee over the potential closure of Manston. Would there be the same amount of joy for any other workplace closing? I think not. If Thanet Earth closed, there would be no more light pollution, but nobody is calling for that to close. Why not Westwood Cross which attracts hundreds of motor cars emitting noxious fumes into the atmosphere. What must the 150 at Manston who are about to lose their jobs feel if, God forbid, they read the tripe issued by some on this blog. Most of you must be DFLs, who will complain about church bells ringing now that the aeroplanes have stopped. And of course this entry will attract you like flies round a freshly laid dog turd, to issue more vitriol for the enjoyment of those who don't have a mind of their own. Sic transit gloria Mundi.

Anonymous said...

Well said, 7:22, but an element locally make it a very selfish place. The one main culprit cares nothing about peoples jobs anymore than he does about insulting people because of their age. Look at the way he personalised his attack on Peter Checksfield. A very sick individual.

Anonymous said...

7.22

The airport and it's staff weren't too interested in everyone else's lives when they wanted the freedom to fly all night, every night.

This may be schadenfreude but at least it's honest. If you want sympathy, go elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

Garbutt, do you not realise that you are the epitome of duffer. Stupid, unproductive, over weight and yet totally oblivious to your own failings.

You were asked a question by 7:16. Why do you have to keep going on about Manston if you are convinced it is finished? Surely it must be a waste of time and effort and you should be moving on to your next pet hate.

Anonymous said...

Wrong. Yet again. But carry on.....

The Airfield lost the battle for hearts and minds long ago.

Anonymous said...

Yes 7:22 why did the airport staff allow illegal flights to pollute us all? No sympathy at all for them. Get another job.

Anonymous said...

To all of the Manstophiles, I say this - Rainbow.

Anonymous said...

The main concern is the lack of direction by the council and crimes of pollution and corruption covered up.

Anonymous said...

What a prize idiot we have here. Even BGT has to be better than trying to further this debate, but careful Tim, I just saw a Manston Airport Fire tender turn into South Eastern Road. Maybe they don't like your attitude to their jobs.

Anonymous said...

When all's said and done, it's just a failed local business.

Anonymous said...

Got you going there, Tim, for I just saw you peep out nervously from behind your curtains.

Anonymous said...

7.46

I don't know the guy but what you've just said sounds quite threatening.and stalkerish.

I'm not Tim said...

Shame the 15,000 who signed the petition didn't regularly fly from Manston

Shame the hundred(s?) who turned up today didn't put their hands in their pockets to buy flights instead of having a whip round

Interesting to see the politicians being swayed by a crowd. If 300 people had a meeting to suggest carving a huge chalk helmet at one end of huge runway and two massive chalk balls at the other they would be falling over themselves to support it.

Richard Eastcliff said...

I SAID NO MORE AD HOMINEM CLAPTRAP! AND NOT EVERY MANSTON DETRACTOR IS GARBUTT! P... L... EEEEEEEEZE!

William Epps said...

Thank you, Richard, but I wonder if your plea will have any result.

On thread has anyone heard any outcome from today's meeting?

Anonymous said...

Not a stalker 7:49 I just live on the opposite side of the road to you and often see your ugly boat looking out.

Anonymous said...

7.56

A bit rich??.

Richard Eastcliff said...

Do pay attention, I've already replayed what's up on Twitter twice. More pointless meetings, more 'plans', but no substance after today's Winter Gardens sesh.

Anonymous said...

7.57

Pack it in. You're giving trolls a bad name. At least they target the right person!!!

Looking forward to Gale's statement.

Anonymous said...

The outcome is that manston is still closing.

Although the whip round gathered multiple hundreds of what Ann paid for it, it's still approx £20mil short of what it would take to buy and run it for a year.

Oh, and nobody in the Winter Gardens knows the first thing about running a successful airport otherwise they would not be in this mess would they?

Anonymous said...

7:22
Sorry to hear about your Transit.. Is that why you wanted the airfield to stay open? thought the old Transit couldn't get you as far as Gatwick?

Anonymous said...

What a weird character pops up every now and then obsessed with Tim. I like Tim more and more. Garbutt for Mayor.

Anonymous said...

The manston fire crew knock off after 6pm so can't be them.

Anonymous said...

Too fat to climb ladders too! At least we wont have chemicals sprayed every where now

William Epps said...

8:01 Since the person did not say which road how do you know who he is referring to unless you recognise yourself. Maybe you did look out from behind the curtains.

Anonymous said...

There was a road mentioned. Remind us Willy, you're meant to be a councillor aren't you? Dear God.

Anonymous said...

Anyone got any new snippets from Camp David Margate today?

Anonymous said...

I think the truth is that people believed the MPs when they said that manston would employ 10,000 and be a real boost to Thanets purse
Now why aren't they saying to them you have fed us a load of crap.

Instead they are saying how hard they have worked and what good chaps they are.
If you look at the chances of Manston ever being like they said it would be 0% I cant see where they got those figures from????

Anonymous said...

9.12 Because too many of the indigenous population are ex-services, forelock tugging, unquestioning, blazer-wearing ukip types.

Anonymous said...

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

Anonymous said...

GAle is useless we need rid of him

Anonymous said...

Home from the pub already are we @ 9:54pm?

Anonymous said...

Home from the pub already are we @ 9:54pm?

Anonymous said...

Prefer 'Tommy Gun' by The Clash any day.

Anonymous said...

10.02

Haha! That fell flat. Repeating yerself you old soak!

Anonymous said...

I do so apologise for the repetition but sometimes it is necessary in order to make the point sink in, that and a glitch on the computer.

Anonymous said...

Peace at last. The idiot is tucked up in bed.

Anonymous said...

10.53

Next to you I expect. No spooning. Sleep well lovers ;-/

Duncan Smithson said...

Ahoy Ricardo - smoozing it up on the tweetersphere with the loal hacks, eh?? ;)

Anyways = Gales speech here = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrqlAHd95vA

As for the numbers, I counted 20 rows with a minimum of ten per row and and additional ten with at least five in - so the figure of "around 300" was accurate.

As for the meeting - it was interesting. Gale was statesman like, literally telling people to calm down. He said a deal could be in the offing and hinted that it would be freight based. Laura (its pronounced SANDS) spoke about stuff. Russ Timpson Made sense, saying he had worked in aviation for years and appeared like he knew what he was talking about. Only to find when the facts were checked he was in fact wrong. He wants it to become a big recycling centre. Latchford said with £200M he could make it work.

The highlights for me were Clive and Iris. Iris got told to ask a question or sit down because she was trying to say that her council were not against night flights. And then Clive went on to say how he supported the airport but then a nice lady stood up and said she heard him say the night before he said something different. Que crowd booing.

I then left. I left with a couple of feelings.

By the end of next week we will know what the new deal is and if it has been accepted.

Gale has been a very good politician and has supported Manston enough to probably get elected next time.

The council realise this is damaging to them and are spinning "no night flights was not the final nail in the coffin"

And - please Mr Eastcliffe. Do something about the anons. And - I have said before anons, if you want to pick on someone - have a go with me. Leave Epps alone. Its getting very dull and the fact you hide just adds fuel to my belief that you have some serious Self esteem issues. Create a fake google account, ffs. At least we will be able to work out who is saying what!

Toodles

Peter Checksfield said...

Thank you Duncan, interesting stuff. Let's hope the freight-based option works.

Anonymous said...

Cargo always was the plan and failed. Manston is doomed.

Peter Checksfield said...

Pessimist!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the link 11.28
WOW what an old fool and people listen to him?
His reasons for keeping it open are so bad. Who in their right mind would pay gloag what she would get for building houses on the site.
All I see is gale trying to pull the wool over people eyes and if you think he has done a good job (without a plan B) then you must be as old as he is and losing your marbles
Please look up cargo airports and see for yourself what the competition is Manston doesn't stand a chance.
I bet that gloag is blamed for asking for to much money when the deal falls though gale already knows the outcome he is just trying to look good I hope your not fooled.

Anonymous said...

A really funny clip on the news tonight. Gale at a meeting saying that just before the meeting he'd received a letter from someone who had the funds to buy the airport. There was no offer mind you. Just a letter. Gale is presenting himself as a ludicrous figure. his job is to represent people but he is desperate to save a company that cannot be saved. What is this really about?

Anonymous said...

Manston being a cargo airport is like me saying that my small corner shop is going to take on Tesco's Sainsbury's and Asda and beat them on price
Manstons competition will be East Midlands Stansted and Heathrow
good luck with that gale and co

Anonymous said...

He did not even say if the person was interested in buying Manston

Anonymous said...

Dunce Wunky

Shut up you tart!!!

Richard Eastcliff said...

Thanks for the write-up Mr S. In fact the council are correct to point out that the closure of the airport had nothing to do with night flights. There is no legal weight behind their desire to curtail night flights. Gloag and everyone else knows that, and yet they chose not to override the council as they realise that even with night flights the airport is just a huge black hole down which to pour money.

And yes, I do know 'Sandys' is pronounced 'Sands' as I've met her a few times. It's just better fun to think of her as Sandys, because in warped mind I can then think of her hubby as Randy Sandys.

Oh dear. It's late. I'm a bit sozzled. Time to hit the hay. May I wish all my Ramsgate readers a peaceful and plane-free night. Zzzzzz.

Duncan Smithson said...

12:51 - brilliant work! Still laughing! Clearly - your wit is too much for me! Such a wit! Well done! And very on topic! And Mr E - been necking the French fighting juice (1664) and its just not doing it to me. Sleep well knowing there will be no night flight ;) But bravo to the other anons for actually being on topic! It can be done! And come on- it does get a bit tedious just bitching at each other right? If you are going anon, at least try to be witty. Just like 12:51. Fantastic intellect demonstrated there

Anonymous said...

4 Reasons for keeping Manston open lets look at them closely
150 jobs (mostly part-time jobs)this is by far the biggest reason for keeping manston open but still you may read on and think different
national interest the RAF does not need or want Manston as a base any more that's why it left.
Losing business to other places around the world if you don't use manston to re-leave other airports.
Air traffic could increase by 60% without new airports being needed.

Major diversion field "people would be dead if manston was not there"
Not true there are many airports that could have taken that diversion.
Search and rescue "children running across the motorway"

Computer guided children with cars doing 10mph and miles in-between the children and cars

Ok those were his points for keeping Manston open
And these are my reasons for campaigning to not use public money to keep it open.
Public money is very tight and losing revenue from a major site like Manston would be very costly locally
The jobs that could come from the leisure industry on a site that size would be over 1000 it would not be a big open space with a tiny amount of people working there and the money they would spend locally and if you look at gloags record for taking public money you will see how much she has taken.
pollution all you have to do is read up on what comes out of a jet engine it travels for miles on wind so its not just under the flightpath.
Now if Manston gets enough flights to make it money to keep open, pollution will be a big problem for all of Thanet and further.
Tourism people dont want to come and lay on a beach with aircraft flying close overhead it stops people from coming and spending 100s of millions that's Thanets potential loss
If the same lobbying was done to make Thanet a tourist place once more instead of saving Manston we would all be rolling in it.

Anonymous said...

4 Reasons for keeping Manston open lets look at them closely
150 jobs (mostly part-time jobs)this is by far the biggest reason for keeping manston open but still you may read on and think different
national interest the RAF does not need or want Manston as a base any more that's why it left.
Losing business to other places around the world if you don't use manston to re-leave other airports.
Air traffic could increase by 60% without new airports being needed.

Major diversion field "people would be dead if manston was not there"
Not true there are many airports that could have taken that diversion.
Search and rescue "children running across the motorway"

Computer guided children with cars doing 10mph and miles in-between the children and cars

Ok those were his points for keeping Manston open
And these are my reasons for campaigning to not use public money to keep it open.
Public money is very tight and losing revenue from a major site like Manston would be very costly locally
The jobs that could come from the leisure industry on a site that size would be over 1000 it would not be a big open space with a tiny amount of people working there and the money they would spend locally and if you look at gloags record for taking public money you will see how much she has taken.
pollution all you have to do is read up on what comes out of a jet engine it travels for miles on wind so its not just under the flightpath.
Now if Manston gets enough flights to make it money to keep open, pollution will be a big problem for all of Thanet and further.
Tourism people dont want to come and lay on a beach with aircraft flying close overhead it stops people from coming and spending 100s of millions that's Thanets potential loss
If the same lobbying was done to make Thanet a tourist place once more instead of saving Manston we would all be rolling in it.

Anonymous said...

Duncan Smithson. You have hit the nail firmly on the head on while gale has been blowing up a storm about Manston;

Gale has been a very good politician and has supported Manston enough to probably get elected next time.

After all, nothing else to him.

Anonymous said...

Good point 12:29 and the scrabbling around by the politicians seems to be be because they have no alternatives - and all the details will emerge after manston closes.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Still nothing concrete coming from the bunker overnight then? Gale reminds me of old Nev with his famous bit of paper.

Dunky, since when was bleating on about Anon comments er, 'On-Topic'?

By the way, your Polytechnic-insecurities about your own intelligence are laid bare for all to see here. If this were 'Just a Minute' you'd have been taken down for repetition within seconds. To think you put a name to your 'Anon' obsessions - even troubling Bibliobloke's art jotting blog with your rumblings.

Give it a rest and stick to the issues. If someone shouted 'Fire' in a crowded theatre I expect you'd demand to see their driving licence before you ran for the exits. Hope the analogy helps in some way. It can't be easy for you.



Peter Checksfield said...

How many politicians are respresenting those that want Manston closed? NONE! They're representing what the majority want.

Anonymous said...

The solution. Build a school on the site, Manston, and compulsorily send there all the anonymous contributors who can't spell, punctuate or use capital letters where necessary, so that the level of debate can be raised to sixth form level. Talking of teachers, why don't they go on strike in August?

Anonymous said...

Lots of discussion about the 106. When, not if, it stays open, there will be a new 106 after all Thanet residents are invited to give their thoughts. Then, there will be no monitors and no all hour restrictions. Fewer airport staff as no pax related jobs, but a busy profitable airport with new companies on site creating their own employment.

William Epps said...

Duncan, some good points and thanks for your support though, to be honest, these anons with their silly comments do not really bother me.

On Manston, as I have said all along, it will continue or close on factors highly unlikely to be influenced by the witless few on a blog site. Sir Roger is putting up a good fight and I hope he succeeds, but nothing is a foregone conclusion.

I used to enjoyed debates on these blog sites, even the bits of cut and thrust, and some useful opinions sometimes emerged. Now, sadly, it all seems to have degenerated to the level of playground contradiction and silly insults. What kind of mind derives satisfaction from calling someone Little Willy or, collectively, old duffers. Especially when many of the old duffers have far sharper minds than the said commentator.

Anyway, it is the day of rest so you enjoy yours. A spot of gardening calls.

Anonymous said...

There are still 100+ full time jobs at Manston, 40 or 42 hour contracts, the part time jobs where there for KLM.

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