tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post7524993819315525131..comments2023-12-21T00:14:07.455+00:00Comments on <center>EASTCLIFF RICHARD</center>: Night Flights? No Thanks!Richard Eastcliffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10514972891192411470noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-25453299678726344432009-06-28T19:55:13.963+01:002009-06-28T19:55:13.963+01:00Matt Clarke said the airport wasn't covering i...Matt Clarke said the airport wasn't covering its fixed costs and no firm can survive on that basis. Sooner or later bills don't get paid and there's a rapid downward spiral. Those 82 people (he did say there were others including himself in some office jobs) must get paid, utilities need paying etc. <br /><br />This is the way the company will pressurise TDC into granting everything they want using the 'jobs will have to go' line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-64509003038751672009-06-28T08:05:01.427+01:002009-06-28T08:05:01.427+01:00"But night flights are currently banned at Ma..."But night flights are currently banned at Manston."<br /><br />Sadly ECR, this isn't true. The Section 106 document is a slippery beast, full of caveats and cop-outs. Night-flights are permitted and some aircraft (very few) attract fines. If Infratil wanted to start flying at night they could do so tomorrow and TDC would have to take out an injunction to stop them. Since TDC isn't going to do this, there is no effective restriction on night-flights. So why all the fuss? The answer is that they only have 7 freight flights and one passenger flight per week. All the rest of it is nonsense. They are losing money hand-over-fist and they don't know when, or if, they might break-even. Infratil is preparing the ground for closure. I predict that they'll say that they couldn't operate economically without unlimited, 24/7 access and that TDC wouldn't co-operate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-85658755520629846572009-06-27T20:26:41.491+01:002009-06-27T20:26:41.491+01:00Oh, and if you want to see the back of the freight...Oh, and if you want to see the back of the freight flights, 80 percent of them are flying foodstuffs from africa (aren't people starving there?)<br /><br />Read the labels before you buy your tomatoes and other fruits and salad stuff.buy locally and seasonablysteve @ smegnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-86539195556690281612009-06-27T20:22:59.692+01:002009-06-27T20:22:59.692+01:0082 jobs. Counted them quickly.
Less than the 150 ...82 jobs. Counted them quickly.<br /><br />Less than the 150 mentioned in the bawc tender. Less than the 'about 100' in the masterplan. Less than the 85 in the night flights begging letter.steve @ smegnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-21600491522788320022009-06-27T07:41:11.161+01:002009-06-27T07:41:11.161+01:00Manston has seven flights a week at the moment plu...Manston has seven flights a week at the moment plus the training ones and some light aircraft movements, positioning flights etc. Six actual flights bringing in stuff from Africa then the empty planes fly out + the Jersey holiday one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-2612478060946912472009-06-27T07:39:23.703+01:002009-06-27T07:39:23.703+01:00Interesting that during Matt Clarke's presenta...Interesting that during Matt Clarke's presentation the slide with the number of jobs flipped to the next one before anyone had chance to total the number of people employed there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-36546888223434257392009-06-26T21:28:57.708+01:002009-06-26T21:28:57.708+01:00Paul Carter didn't attend tonight's meetin...Paul Carter didn't attend tonight's meeting due to a 're-arranged family event'. The Chair, Paul Twyman, was not impressed and got a vote passed agreeing to report him to Standards as the date had been chosen to accommodate Cllr. Carter.<br /><br />Perhaps Cllr. Carter was worried he might be taken to task over the 8% allowance increase his party voted through.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-26188960529241680912009-06-26T12:03:44.148+01:002009-06-26T12:03:44.148+01:00Oh don't worry. I will.
At least Thanet dist...Oh don't worry. I will. <br /><br />At least Thanet district council had the decency to lie when they gave their executives a 25k pay rise and told us it was a 0% rise. <br /><br />This guy was in charge when £50,000,000 of our money was placed into a failing banking system. Not one penny has made it home safely. <br /><br />Who voted for this party?Head, SMEGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08065972461608526811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-19751448708832189312009-06-26T09:50:26.023+01:002009-06-26T09:50:26.023+01:00Perhaps you can ask Paul Carter while he's her...Perhaps you can ask Paul Carter while he's here how he justifies the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/8119906.stm" rel="nofollow">8% increase in expenses</a> which he awarded himself last night.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-15330755567830226012009-06-26T09:40:14.970+01:002009-06-26T09:40:14.970+01:00tony, if you work out the flights to the proposed ...tony, if you work out the flights to the proposed number of passengers by kcc, tdc and infratil, you come to a couple of hundred flights per day. <br /><br />Busy periods, such as holiday seasons, monday mornings, Friday evenings, Saturdays will undoubtedly by busier than other days- some days hundreds, some days not. <br /><br />The objective of infratil is to get as near as possible to that figure. The maximum operating profit of the airport us reached at full capacity- 24/7 openings, flights every few minutes. If the rules don't allow this, they will always push for more. <br /><br />If you put restrictions on the airport, such as night flight bans, strict flight paths over open areas, this makes their attractiveness to airlines diminish. <br /><br />There will always be restrictions. Night flights will not be allowed. Proximity to ramsgate will always be an issue they cannot avoid. Infratil could not afford blight payments if manston got as busy as prestwick, for example. <br /><br />This makes the business unsustainable. Infratil know it, tdc know it, kcc know it, but they continue to talk up the assets so they get top dollar when the sale comes. <br /><br />The airport will never be a commercial success, bit while it remains as an airport it will continue to blight east kent. Everyone should be honest about it so the whole area can move on.Head, SMEGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08065972461608526811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-75472933876821943112009-06-26T09:11:14.303+01:002009-06-26T09:11:14.303+01:00When it comes to getting it wrong, some people see...When it comes to getting it wrong, some people seem to have a natural talent, so no argument there!<br /><br />I'm afraid I'm going to have to correct you about those African planes being held together with Gaffa tape, Dickie dear. Overhearing a conversation in a pub which shall remain nameless (just along the road from Churchills), where several of these plane's maintenance team congregate, just a couple of days ago, one of them was demonstrating how temporary repairs were undertaken to limp these planes back to base. <br />The tape that they use is actually a strong aluminium alloy, very sticky and very expensive. One of them actually had a roll of it with him.<br />Hope he wasn't walking home through 'King Street!Lucy Mailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03269768852893564992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-34589456111678686682009-06-26T01:22:28.447+01:002009-06-26T01:22:28.447+01:00What, a real talent????What, a real talent????Richard Eastcliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514972891192411470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-591382646326977792009-06-26T01:20:50.669+01:002009-06-26T01:20:50.669+01:00Me tooMe tooTony Flaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-34911561038742633052009-06-26T01:14:38.914+01:002009-06-26T01:14:38.914+01:00Never met the bloke. Saw him in concert at Wembley...Never met the bloke. Saw him in concert at Wembley once. Shame, he was a real talent.Richard Eastcliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514972891192411470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-27090162237535522782009-06-26T01:08:16.332+01:002009-06-26T01:08:16.332+01:00How about some show biz anecdotes about JackoHow about some show biz anecdotes about JackoTony Flaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-63048193653775658272009-06-26T01:07:09.646+01:002009-06-26T01:07:09.646+01:00Blimey I thought I was the only cretin posting at ...Blimey I thought I was the only cretin posting at this time of nightTony Flaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-42384092824295182962009-06-26T01:06:23.601+01:002009-06-26T01:06:23.601+01:00How about a sense of proportion, Ecr read the abov...How about a sense of proportion, Ecr read the above.<br /><br />Smeg witters on about hundreds of flights a day? this ain't ever going to happen<br /><br />I don't recall any wild eyed ramsgatonians carping on about EU jet, since they were hardly noticeable.<br /><br />That petition now has 96 sigs one more after the Bignews oxygen of publicity.Tony Flaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-50602242588575304652009-06-26T01:05:12.802+01:002009-06-26T01:05:12.802+01:00But night flights are currently banned at Manston....But night flights are currently banned at Manston. Why hand them the thick end of the wedge on a plate, if I may mix my metaphors?Richard Eastcliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514972891192411470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-84431601617516306332009-06-26T00:40:48.283+01:002009-06-26T00:40:48.283+01:00At Gatwick there were hardly any night flights, th...At Gatwick there were hardly any night flights, the very late flights were usually an occasional 727 from Paris, Berlin, Gothenberg, Amsterdam and the long hauls used to start coming in from about 5 a.m. The Lagos flight from Nigeria always seemed to be one of the first in. My point is why would there be night flights at manston when there are hardly any at one of the busiest international airports in the world? I think you worry too much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com