tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post7405318361264762324..comments2023-12-21T00:14:07.455+00:00Comments on <center>EASTCLIFF RICHARD</center>: ThanipediaRichard Eastcliffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10514972891192411470noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-20141686690787193442008-04-16T17:15:00.000+01:002008-04-16T17:15:00.000+01:00With yer libel.If a reasonable third party says it...With yer libel.<BR/><BR/>If a reasonable third party says it is libel.<BR/><BR/>Then it ain't libel.<BR/><BR/>And if the person named says it is libel<BR/><BR/>Then it aint libel until he finds<BR/><BR/>a reasonable person who says it aint libel<BR/><BR/>then it is libel<BR/><BR/>but only if the named person has a reputation to lose <BR/><BR/>then he must act within a reasonable time after establishing his cause of action. <BR/><BR/>He must declare any knowledge he has that is detrimental to his cause.<BR/><BR/>For hypothetical example "I did once own a box of matches" "I have benefitted from insurance claims in the matters at issue" "I might suffer business disadvantage if speculation continues" <BR/><BR/>And it is said that inevitably the libel action becomes a competition between the plaintiff and respondent's life records.<BR/><BR/>Then things like former brief spells at HM Pleasure would be weighed against the good standing claimed by the plaintiff. <BR/><BR/>"Libel" is mentioned thousands of times in Thanet. But how many actions have there been in the past decade.<BR/><BR/>Maggie Mortlock proved libel against george Maison former Vice Chair of North Thanet tories<BR/><BR/>And Richard Card represented himself against the Suffolk Chief constable who seven months later retired from police service aged 53 in spite of the ruling that Card was out of time to sue.<BR/><BR/>After the ruling Card argued that a Chief constable is not entitled to a limitation defence in a duty charged as he is sworn to the Queen to answer unto law unto death (not to abandon his duty to the Queen after an arbitrary one year has passed). No best before date on a duty charged under the Crown. Anyway the Chief constable retired and nothing more was said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-7564403408747808832008-04-16T11:12:00.000+01:002008-04-16T11:12:00.000+01:00Why not go the whole hog and call it Wickedpedo?We...Why not go the whole hog and call it Wickedpedo?<BR/>We could dress up as priests and choirboys and sh*g eachothers a*ses off!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-38664983144557340792008-04-16T10:14:00.000+01:002008-04-16T10:14:00.000+01:00Personally i often us the word "allegedly" as it g...Personally i often us the word "allegedly" as it gets you out of most situations...or there is the old standby, a factual statement i.e. you might stand in the street and loudly shout that X,Y,Z is a convicted criminal and walk away muttering. If its a statement of fact then it's not libelous, or slanderous - and yes i know one is put down on paper and one is verbal. Now where's me megaphone i wish to make a verbal statement relating to some fires and me council tax rises?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-1729936074873458852008-04-15T23:24:00.000+01:002008-04-15T23:24:00.000+01:00Interesting Matt, but of course it's just as libel...Interesting Matt, but of course it's just as libellous to repeat a libel, so if they were to refer to something in the newspapers that had previously been judged libellous it would still be, er, libel. As I understand it Wikipedia is US based, though, so maybe we're back to the old freedom of speech, Star Spangled Banner, God bless America, etc. etc.<BR/><BR/>I'll peruse your email with interest.Richard Eastcliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514972891192411470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-51730909621861336192008-04-15T23:03:00.000+01:002008-04-15T23:03:00.000+01:00The big wikipedia deals with the libel/slander iss...The big wikipedia deals with the libel/slander issues with a policy that bios of living people must be fully backed up by reliable source of evidence. <BR/><BR/>Then when Bob Smith says: "you printed that I had sex with nine women at once I'm gonna sue ya!" <BR/><BR/>They can say: "yes we did because that's what the following news papers said..."<BR/><BR/>That's the plan anyway. In theory editors would say "I have a vested interest in this one" put their comments in the comments section and leave it up to other people to write the article. The wikipeida policy section is not exactly thrill-a-second but it is reasonably sound stuff.<BR/><BR/>I'm happy to invest time and effort (and cash) into such a project so long as I don't end up significantly out of pocket. <BR/><BR/>BTW: ECR I sent you a long ol' email on the subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-85985387494374524472008-04-15T17:43:00.000+01:002008-04-15T17:43:00.000+01:00ECR was recently caught in a torture dungeon attac...ECR was recently caught in a torture dungeon attached to nipple clamps whilst being serviced by a gimp holding an abrasive grinder powered by a wankel rotary engine.....Allegedly. (I might need to see a Doctor soon if this goes on much longer).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-7702273744374450752008-04-15T12:23:00.000+01:002008-04-15T12:23:00.000+01:00Well there are all sorts of get-outs anon, but the...Well there are all sorts of get-outs anon, but they are not universally foolproof. Truth is a pretty good defence, as is 'fair comment' i.e. 'in my opinion' or 'I think' as you rightly point out. But don't forget that the burden of proof is on the defendant rather than the claimant, so in effect a libel writ is more or less a cheque made out to very expensive lawyers.<BR/><BR/>In the US, where they have that freedom of speech thingy, it's much easier to say what you think. [<I>Cue grams: Star Spangled Banner</I>]Richard Eastcliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514972891192411470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-42696934112463447212008-04-15T12:08:00.000+01:002008-04-15T12:08:00.000+01:00Why are most people frightened by Great Britains l...Why are most people frightened by Great Britains libel laws?<BR/><BR/>Just start your jottings with "I think..."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-90380238434099435002008-04-15T11:25:00.000+01:002008-04-15T11:25:00.000+01:00In that case how about we start a 'Wickedpedia'? W...In that case how about we start a 'Wickedpedia'? We could anonymously write all kinds of lurid and libellous things about ourselves and then sue each others a*ses off!Richard Eastcliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514972891192411470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-49026417352216699742008-04-15T11:04:00.000+01:002008-04-15T11:04:00.000+01:00Draconian or modern American?Everyone is either a ...Draconian or modern American?<BR/>Everyone is either a fraudster, embezzler, thief, liar, sexual deviant or a combination of those things, so I can't see what all the fuss is about.<BR/>Must be an easy way to make money, I'd suppose.Lucy Mailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03269768852893564992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-59911713835193402762008-04-15T10:18:00.000+01:002008-04-15T10:18:00.000+01:00And as we have seen over the past week or so most ...And as we have seen over the past week or so most people in Thanet seem to have only a very tenuous grasp of the UK's draconian libel laws.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-81181222142820259462008-04-15T10:09:00.000+01:002008-04-15T10:09:00.000+01:00There will definitely be people who will hijack or...There will definitely be people who will hijack or sabbotage this 'Thanipedia', and Wikipedia gets around this by having people who act as moderators (but finding neutral ones will be hard). It'll also be worth knowing the legal ramifications of libel as I'm sure there's quite a few people out there who will find themselves the subject of some articles.ademhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00370168900902377016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-17095709764288256672008-04-15T09:46:00.000+01:002008-04-15T09:46:00.000+01:00Never fall asleep in a gay bar.Never fall asleep in a gay bar.Ramskateraiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01243504255286960497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-36574049174003921962008-04-15T09:19:00.000+01:002008-04-15T09:19:00.000+01:00I've started to work on a list but has anyone any ...I've started to work on a list but has anyone any suggestions for K, Y or Z?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com