tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post3517482704735211734..comments2023-12-21T00:14:07.455+00:00Comments on <center>EASTCLIFF RICHARD</center>: BREAKING NEWS - Council Set To Green Light Night FlightsRichard Eastcliffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10514972891192411470noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-91270456454442862902009-02-07T10:54:00.000+00:002009-02-07T10:54:00.000+00:00Excellent idea Cllr N! And one which I've, um, jus...Excellent idea Cllr N! And one which I've, um, just nicked!Richard Eastcliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514972891192411470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-79751770457356296812009-02-07T09:39:00.000+00:002009-02-07T09:39:00.000+00:00I have spoken to hundreds of Northwood constituent...I have spoken to hundreds of Northwood constituents since I was elected. I always ask what are poeple's concerns locally. I cannot recall any of them raising the airport and the noise of planes. <BR/><BR/>When the airport comes up in longer conversations the vast majority of Northwood residents are supportive of having an airport.<BR/><BR/>In the short period available I cannot do a similar exercise to consult constituents but hope this information may be useful.<BR/><BR/>I have published a poll on my blog <BR/>http://marknottingham.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>Cllr. Mark Nottingham<BR/>Labour - Northwood WardSon of Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02019533493432411653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-11993530350336331662009-02-06T18:25:00.000+00:002009-02-06T18:25:00.000+00:00Quite right. How many third generation unemployabl...Quite right. How many third generation unemployables are TDC proposing to train to be airline pilots, eh?<BR/><BR/>The only people who will benefit are the carpet and white van companies who are owned by the people who run the council. The poor sods they employ will still be on the minimum wage. The unemployed will still be unemployed. And unless they wrap themselves up in brown paper and parcel tape, none of the selfish Thanet tw*ts who say they'd love a thriving local airport so they can jet off to Majorca or wherever will be on these flights either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-86682948372055451092009-02-06T18:15:00.000+00:002009-02-06T18:15:00.000+00:002.13pm We do live in the real world, and it happen...2.13pm We do live in the real world, and it happens to be thanet. Some supporters are new to the area, some have lived here all their lives. None were born before the airport was built, so according to many on here, takes away our right to complain and free speech. <BR/>Thanet needs jobs because many Thanet people are out of work, right? Manston airport can't guarantee airport jobs for Thanet people. That is law. If the council were serious about getting Thanets long term unemployed into the new jobs being created, they'd be training those people to take up those jobs. Except they aren't.Head, SMEGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08065972461608526811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-42145705178202516322009-02-06T17:19:00.000+00:002009-02-06T17:19:00.000+00:00What a sad bunch the pro airport group are. They a...What a sad bunch the pro airport group are. They actually think that jumbos thundering overhead is good for the population and even more bizarre, they think that it will mean jobs for locals.<BR/>It's obvious that any company trying to operate a passenger service from Manston "London" airport will fold within a couple of years at the most. Something to do with maybe more people than those of Thanet being needed to keep any such company solvent. Want to get to London? Oh sure just walk up here, get these three buses and then a train and there you are!<BR/>Sheesh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-65703033827898206492009-02-06T14:13:00.000+00:002009-02-06T14:13:00.000+00:00What a sad bunch the anti airport group are, inte...What a sad bunch the anti airport group are, interesting that some have actually moved here and bought a house by the airport and are now upset that aircraft will actually use it,<BR/>SMEG should get themselves into the real world, Thanet needs jobs and the majority of Thanet residents would rather fly from Manston than Gatwick or Heathrow.<BR/>As someone who watches our local political scene, it is the same sadnames that occur protesting about just about everything, Thanet would seem to have an opportunity, and we should all be grasping it with both hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-85537722533836360322009-02-06T12:22:00.000+00:002009-02-06T12:22:00.000+00:00actually no,, its the buyers solicitor who asks th...actually no,, its the buyers solicitor who asks the questions,<BR/><BR/>2.05pm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-64487218726530768772009-02-06T10:35:00.000+00:002009-02-06T10:35:00.000+00:002.05pm -searches on a property - that would be the...2.05pm -searches on a property - that would be the councilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-70551117254721483642009-02-06T10:30:00.000+00:002009-02-06T10:30:00.000+00:007.18pm, A380's you mean, and 747's are used for lo...7.18pm, A380's you mean, and 747's are used for long haul. There is not going to be very much in the way of long haul passenger flights from Manston. Or many passengers flights at all...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-54970696390907030482009-02-06T09:38:00.000+00:002009-02-06T09:38:00.000+00:00All of Ramsgate will wake up soon. To, er, air tr...All of Ramsgate will wake up soon. To, er, air travel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-75779706338192738982009-02-06T05:44:00.000+00:002009-02-06T05:44:00.000+00:00Air travel is finished. Wake up.Air travel is finished. Wake up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-37570997670390640892009-02-05T19:18:00.000+00:002009-02-05T19:18:00.000+00:00SMEG needs to revise his figures-747's carry about...SMEG needs to revise his figures-<BR/>747's carry about 400 and the airbus a388 carries 555,so not too many flights per day really.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-36502536620325402322009-02-05T17:30:00.000+00:002009-02-05T17:30:00.000+00:00My end view on all this would be if the airport do...My end view on all this would be if the airport does not succeed under Infratril, and unless some really serious operator immediately ever stepped in, Manston should be developed for industry much like the old Croydon Airport was. Roger Gale in this week's IOTE is right when he states tha without the airport there is little or no economic case for the extension of the fast rail link. Interestingly, some 10 years a go Redhill Airport was seriously considered as a feeder to Gatwick but the idea seems to have sunk without trace, mainly due to 'outraged of Redhill' as I recall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-73324968488017980232009-02-05T17:26:00.000+00:002009-02-05T17:26:00.000+00:00Same as it ever was. The same selfish b*st*rds wh...Same as it ever was. The same selfish b*st*rds who would run a motorway through your house if they could make a buck from it are still shouting their mouths off. <BR/><BR/>"The airport was here first" they say. Well no, actually. The town of Ramsgate pre-dates the airport by a few hundred years. <BR/><BR/>"It'll create jobs," they say. Well no, actually. Cargo comes in on pallets and is loaded and unloaded by three men and a dog. Unless you are going to be unpacking pallets at the airport there will be no jobs. And if it's BA they'll be transporting the pallets up their purpose-built facility at Heathrow to do that. The only reason they're coming here is to avoid the quota count restrictions at Heathrow. <BR/><BR/>You're just NIMBYs" they say. Well no, actually. I wouldn't wish this on anybody. Moreover, I don't agree with buying in flowers from Kenya. I would much prefer to see things grown in the UK, which would create far more (and better paid jobs, than an airport ever will.<BR/><BR/>"If you don't like it move somewhere else," they say. Well no, actually. The last time I looked we lived in a democracy. This means that I shouldn't be told where to live by some Neanderthal who thinks his right to a mythical job is more important than my right to peace and quiet. It's funny, but most of the people I hear blathering on about the jobs it would create have no intention of working there themselves. They are long-term layabouts or Councillors. <BR/><BR/>"You can't stop progress," they say. Well that presupposes that the creation of a massive freight airport is progress. Take a good look at the towns and areas of towns situated in flight paths around the country. They are the most deprived areas; the ones where nobody who can afford better wants to live. Hands up who thinks it's better for Ramsgsate if all of the people with money leave. OK, I can see a few diehard left-wingers there with their hands up, but who is that voting against the proposal? I see publicans, shopkeepers, builders, cleaners all voting to keep the people with money who provide them with an income. I see numerous prominent local businessmen against this nonsense. I see no-one of any stature voting in favour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-57659220476598446002009-02-05T17:24:00.000+00:002009-02-05T17:24:00.000+00:00I haven't been there in years, but as far as I...I haven't been there in years, but as far as I recall the beach in Hounslow isn't as nice as in Margate & Broadstairs...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-2279247127544027812009-02-05T17:15:00.000+00:002009-02-05T17:15:00.000+00:00I totally agree with SMEG. I can see the potential...I totally agree with SMEG. I can see the potential of Ramsgate - more listed buildings than Bath etc.<BR/><BR/>Flights could never compensate for the amount of jobs that will be created by Ramsgate being rediscovered.<BR/><BR/>The jobs argument doesnt stack up. you will be runinng the crown jewels and getting nothing in return.<BR/>Nobody with any taste, sophistication or brains wants to live underneath a flight path. taste, sophistication and brains are what drive economies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-63186291315010202652009-02-05T17:09:00.000+00:002009-02-05T17:09:00.000+00:00Nige - you lucky bar steward!Nige - you lucky bar steward!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-27276861461661733002009-02-05T16:34:00.000+00:002009-02-05T16:34:00.000+00:00QuoteThe second is that the company is looking for...<B>Quote</B><I><BR/>The second is that the company is looking for confirmation that it will be able to operate between 11pm and 11.30pm and also between 6am and 7am. A total of 11 aircraft movements a week is being proposed, with only a portion of these scheduled during these times.<BR/><BR/>Information provided by Infratil to the council explains that they would undertake to improve noise monitoring and reporting, particularly regarding flights between 11pm and 11.30pm and 6am and 7am.</I><BR/><BR/>So SMEG are all worked up about an extra 11 movements a week, that will be monitored more heavily.<BR/><BR/>Surely as the number is so low it is worth welcoming it so the metrics can be examined carefully. Remember this is only for 18 months and reviewed every 6 months.<BR/><BR/>IMHO SMEG is a joke, they talk about hundreds of flights a day in one paragraph (thats about one every 6 minutes) Then contradict themselves and state that the area cannot sustain it...<BR/><I>Seeing as the last operator, EU Jet, managed to fail during the biggest boom in budget air travel this country has seen - no. It will not get to these figures.</I><BR/><BR/>If you SMEG folks want to be taken seriously and not laughed at and derided then you need to be accurate and professional and NOT sensationalistic.<BR/><BR/>As ever, I don't care if they fly overhead - but then again I moved away :)<BR/><BR/>NigeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-1581533245103850672009-02-05T15:23:00.000+00:002009-02-05T15:23:00.000+00:00The point is, Ramsgate was there before Manston.An...The point is, Ramsgate was there before Manston.<BR/><BR/>And for all those idiots who prat on about 'prosperity' have any of you been to an airport town? Have you been to Crawley or Hounslow? They are shit holes.<BR/><BR/>Is that what you want? Ramsgate (more listed buildings than Bath), Margate and Broadstairs to become like Crawley and Hounslow? You must be out of your tiny minds.<BR/><BR/>But at least at Crawley you can't hear the planes as they don't fly over it (take note 2:09pm).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-37688646915232034442009-02-05T14:49:00.000+00:002009-02-05T14:49:00.000+00:00You don't know how old he is.You don't know how old he is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-31595088101069481282009-02-05T14:31:00.000+00:002009-02-05T14:31:00.000+00:00Nothing wrong with nuclear power. It took me many ...Nothing wrong with nuclear power. It took me many miles under the sea......<BR/>But Manston was still there before youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-19888184558954067442009-02-05T14:29:00.000+00:002009-02-05T14:29:00.000+00:00The airport is comparable to a nuclear bomb?!You a...The airport is comparable to a nuclear bomb?!<BR/><BR/>You anti-Manston nutters are getting more & more desperate...Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-57502326925452627152009-02-05T14:16:00.000+00:002009-02-05T14:16:00.000+00:00"Remember the airport was there long before many o..."Remember the airport was there long before many of you were."<BR/><BR/>HAHA! That's a good one.<BR/>You mean like Nuclear power and atom bombs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-70054934257342769472009-02-05T14:15:00.000+00:002009-02-05T14:15:00.000+00:00Great to see so many pro-Manston supporters coming...Great to see so many pro-Manston supporters coming out of the woodwork!<BR/><BR/>I can now relax a bit more & concentrate on what I do best... : )Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20691138.post-64909680123072048422009-02-05T14:14:00.000+00:002009-02-05T14:14:00.000+00:00One flight of 400 miles:Burning 1 pound of jet-a m...One flight of 400 miles:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Burning 1 pound of jet-a makes from 2.9 to 3.1 pounds of CO2.<BR/><BR/>One gallon is 6.6 pounds.<BR/><BR/>A 747 burns about a gallon every second. <BR/><BR/>A 747 burns about 5 gallons every mile.<BR/><BR/>There are many other variables to figure the fuel required to take off, fly and land, but a rough calculation would be <BR/><BR/>5g/m x 400m = 2000gal<BR/>2000gal x 6.6 lbs/gal = 13200lbs<BR/>13200lbs x 3 lbs of co2/lbs of fuel = 39,600 lbs of co2<BR/><BR/><BR/>Much more is produced on take off with heavy load than at any other time during flight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com